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The adhesive layer is assumed to be 0.004" and is set using glass balls (advice from Jon). Note that the as-built dimension for the double thick board already includes one of the adhesive layers since the two G10 layers to make the double stack are already bonded together. I would like to suggest that you put these as-built dimensions into your CAD model to see how the stack-up works out. I suspect that we may find one or more sets of the screw holes (shield grid side wire mount, for example) are not large enough to allow proper adjustment when setting up spacers to get the wire heights right. It will be fun to see how this works out. Let me know if there are any other critical dimensions that come into play and I will try to chase them down. 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